Re: Boycott Pepsi?

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 10:04:54 GMT
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On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:30:27 GMT, " eve" <email-address-deleted>
> eab wrote:
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>> As far as I know, Ludacris *does* lead a squeaky clean lifestyle. But he
>> presents an image (via his lyrics) that O'Reilly objects to.
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>Then the issue is not, as you said, "a condemnation of his general behavior"
>but of his material--which brings you back to the point you made to qaz
>(it's his general behavior, not the lyrics) which you're now arguing against
>(it's the lyrics, not his general behavior.)
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Thanks, Eve. eab apparently has some sort of axe to grind - either
against Ozzy or Pepsi or both.
Maybe he's just a big fan of Ludacris.
Oh, and eab - before you accuse me (take a look at yourself) - no,
actually, I was gonna say I'm not a big fan of Ozzy, myself.
Out of about 400 albums on CD (at last count), he does not appear on a
single one of them.
Not that I have anything against his music - there are a couple of
covers of Ozzy tunes in my collection - War Pigs comes to mind - I think
it's a song about Bush.
"Politicians hide themselves away.
They only started the war.
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor, yeah."
(It's a protest song against violence)
But Ludacris advocates violence...
"Fuck That!
Get the fuck back!
Luda make your skull crack
Tuck that
Bitch, your whole town's on my nutsack
Cuff that
Put it in your weed, nigga, puff that
What's that
People gon' die tonight"
I fail to see the similarities between Ludacris and Ozzy.....
Ludacris combines degradation of women, violence and drug use all in one
verse.
Show us an Ozzy lyric that even comes close to that. And Ozzy managed
to express himself without using profanity.
>eab wrote:
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>Isn't the message
>> that Osbourne sends- that you can do years and years of drugs and still
>> succeed- just as destructive?
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>Only if success is defined as having your brain befuddled and confused by
>the ripe old age of 53.
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>However materialistic teenagers are, they're not about to look at Ozzy and
>think "Yeah, I wanna be just like him!" when the man can't string two words
>together or pour a soda without his hands shaking like a leaf in the wind.
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>eab wrote:
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>> Osbourne also allows his kids to curse in his presence, with and at his
>> parents. (I don't watch the show, but I've seen clips of it.)
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>Clips are usually pulled from the more sensational moments of any show and
>without having seen at least one full episode, you're evaluating Osborne
>based solely on sound bites, which don't adequately show why Ozzy--who
>can't even remember how old he is--isn't much of an advertisement for the
>glories of a life spent doing drugs.
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>In the fucked up, ass kissing world of celebrity, Ozzy and Sharon have
>managed to raise kids who aren't popping three different mood elevators like
>candy, mainlining heroin, spending their days in rehab or screaming " I hate
>your fucking guts" at their parents every two minutes--that's what the show
>is about, not the kids swearing at their parents.
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>As to the swearing itself--where's the huge "protect the children!" danger
>in that? Any child watching who wants to try *that* out on their own
>parents will either be disciplined out of it or not--and if the latter is
>the case, then the kid *already* has screwed up parents who aren't minding
>the farm, which is hardly a crisis instigated by their child watching The
>Osbournes.
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>eab wrote:
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>>(But I agree, I can't picture Ludacris sitting at the table with Bush!)
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>Pity, really--they could have discussed DUIs :)
That's being generous - judging from Ludacris's lyrics, I doubt he's
capable of discussing anything.
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>eve
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