Re: Apples and Oranges..

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:22:51 -0500
Newsgroups: alt.music.tool
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Okay, I'm sorry to tell you, but you're really full of shit. First of all,
I'm not a Christian, follow no religion, and don't believe in any "higher
power." But I'm intelligent enough to know that the philosophy of Jesus
Christ is not at all represented by your trite characterizations. I believe
you're confusing the views of right-wing, fundamentalist assholes with the
views Christianity was founded on. I'll admit, I've read very little of the
Bible, but your generalizations sound much more like bad interpretation, not
bad philosophy (I'm using this word to refer to Christian doctrine).
I really don't think you'd talk so much shit if you sat down and read the
Bible from a more detached point of view. Don't think of it as the BIBLE,
think of it as a book, and read it like one. Or don't, I'm sure you'd get
absolutely nothing out of it anyway.
But this really isn't even my point. What I really take issue with is your
"universal truths." What exactly makes your personal beliefs and
convictions personal truth? Is it the fact that you listen to Tool and
regurgitate every lyric and comment made by the band. If you're going to
shit on the beliefs of others because they follow something they think
sounds right for them, do you not see the irony of quoting Tool lyrics
rather than saying exactly what you think, which MUST be different from
everyone else, because that's how YOU interpret the music of Tool.
Basically, you condemn them for believing in Christian doctrine because it
didn't originate with them when your own beliefs, as you have stated them,
are merely you following the "universal truth" As you recieved it from
Tool. Goddamn I love irony.
So, next time you want to take an ignorant stab at the beliefs of others,
examine your own first. I know many Christians who lead wonderful lives,
and are moral, intelligent, and loving. Don't let the stereotypes fool you,
Christians are just people that think and feel, just like you. Well, some
probably more than you.
By the way, if your post was actually aimed only at the assholes that get
their faces in the paper for spouting hateful shit in the name of God, I'm
sorry I misunderstood, but don't make generalization based on what you read
in the news, because sensationalism sells, and reality doesn't. What's on
the TV and in the news paper isn't reality, it's a journalist's
interpretation of reality. Don't blindly believe, think about it. I'm sure
Tool would agree with me on that point.
> Christianity..
> Teaches a system of "morals", which a human is to bide under.
>
>
> Universal truth..
> "morals" are subjective. We are born with the ability to know right
> from wrong. We don't have to be programmed to fit nicely among the
> other robots.
> .......
>
> Christianity..
> "I'm a god fearing man"
>
>
> Universal truth..
> There is no love in fear
> ........
>
> Christianity..
> Believes in the devil..
>
>
> Universal truth..
> lol
> .....
>
> Christianity..
> Worships a jealous and vengeful god
>
>
> Universal truth..
> Jealousy and vengefulness can be overcome by humans. Give the light
> more credit.
> ........
>
>
> Christianity..
>
> If you sin, it's okay, repent and ask for forgiveness. The deeper you
> were taught to believe the sin runs, the harder and deeper you better
> repent, get down on your knee's and beg for forgiveness. Keep waiting
> and hoping to be forgiven.
>
>
> Universal truth..
>
> You need only to forgive yourself. Realize what happened yesterday
> doesn't have to make who you are today or tomorrow. We make mistakes,
> forgive ourselves, work through them, learn what has to be learned and
> move on.
> ..................
>
> christianity...
> Speak to god through prayer.
>
>
> Universal truth..
> Listen to god through meditation, realize your interconnectedness to
> everything. Elevate to our true selves. Spiral out.
> .................
>
> christianity...
> Eye for an eye.
>
>
> Universal Truth..
> An eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind.
> ..........
>
> christianity...
> Love and forgiveness... wait, shit...
>
>
> Universal Truth..
> Christians are often hypo's.
> .................
>
> christianity...
> Have blind, questionless faith.
>
>
> Universal truth..
> Open every eye and every sense you can. Life is an experience.
> Question everything, search only for truth. Learn to flow with the
> intrinsic force of life, and discover your place with in it.
>
> Sit back and try both methods, get back with me and let me know how it
> worked out.
> ...........
>
> christianity..
> You fall into our religious gang or your on the outside. And this
> works with in their own circle as well..
>
> Universal truth..
> We are all one. On the same boat, just separated through beliefs, etc.
> ...................
>
> The whole world is separated through people's fear to stand on their own
> to two feet vulnerable and alone. They can't see the big picture. They
> feel so alone, they have to belong to SOMETHING. If only they could
> wipe the crust off of their eye they could see they are all connectively
> a part of SOMETHING. I looks like self created distortion to me. All
> the while, people are bitching, crying, fighting and denying, hoping for
> some clarity. But what happens when you try to show them clarity? Hey
> wait a minute, your not from our gang... fuck off.
>
>
>
> "Be like water my friend"
>