Re: Why no Cincinnati show???

Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 17:24:37 GMT
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I feel truly privileged to be talking to someone who actually help write the
lyrics. I'll assume that you wrote these, since you are speaking as an
authority as to the lyric interpretation. For what it's worth, Falwell is
much easier to defend than your boy, Flynt. Why no comment on the
molestation of his daughter? Pretty tough to defend the old boy, isn't it?
If you do find a Christian jazz-pop group with the same musical/high
production standards as that of the Dan, please let me know. I probably
won't pay attention to their lyrics either, so it may not be a big cultural
shock for me.
Michael H.
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Professor <email-address-deleted> wrote in message
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> I'm not going to continue to debate the merits of Larry Flynt with you as
> this thread is headed off-topic. If you are a defender of Jerry Falwell
> then we are truly on opposite ends politically. You call yourself a Dan
> fan, but you don't want to know about the politics within the lyrics.
> Perhaps if I enlighten you then your puritan sensibility will be repulsed
> enough to want to follow some other band.
>
> Gaslighting Abby is about trying to trick a women in a three-way
> relationship into commit suicide. Shame About Me has the protagonist just
> out of rehab. Janie Runaway is about keeping an underage girl around to
> perform sexual favors during traffic jams. Cousin Dupree is about having
> sexual desires within the family.
>
> Are you sure you're not offended yet? Maybe there is some Christian
> Jazz-Pop band out there you can feel good about that doesn't have a
problem
> with playing far-right cities like Censor-natti.
>
> "Michael & Amy Harris" <email-address-deleted> wrote in message
> news:Y6gCa.25169$email-address-deleted...
> > Professor(BTW,Do you happen to be a Professor Longhair fan?He's great),
> >
> > Actually, I'm neither unaware or in denial of the fact
> > that Larry Flynt is a "true champion of civil liberty". However, I do
> > recognize Flynt for the slime that he is. To me, he is merely a very
rich
> > child moleseter. (see below). If I want to see why we continue to have
> > free-speech in this country, I can watch the first 30 minutes of "saving
> > Private Ryan", rather than see that fat pig wearing an American Flag
> diaper.
> > I'm repulsed to see the parody ad where Jerry Falwell loses his
virginity
> in
> > an outhouse to his mother, and published a staged picture of several
> > murdered women strewn, naked, bloody, and contorted, around the feet of
a
> > fully dressed male. When the Dan reaches this level, I'll be a former
> fan.
> > Let's hope that missing Cincinnati was logistical and not ideological.
> >
> > To be completely honest, I listen to the Dan because of their
musicianship
> > and ultra-high production. I don't waste a lot of time visiting site to
> > read about interpretations of their lyrics. When I listen to "Time Out
Of
> > Mind", I don't have a desire for the "fine Columbian". Perhaps I'm just
> > dumb, but I don't pay attention to most of the lyrics in the music that
I
> > listen to. I can remember the guitar breaks from "Kid Charlemagne", but
I
> > don't really care about Walt and Don's inspiration for the song. I
enjoy
> > "The Nightfly" more than any of the Dan albums, and lyrically it's much
> > simpler.
> >
> > Below, I've copied the claims of his daughter, Tonya, which were
> published
> > in April 1997 in an open letter to the newsletter, CONTEMPORARY WOMEN'S
> > ISSUES.
> >
> > "He made me touch his penis. He had oral sex with me and made me have
> > oral
> > sex with him. I hadn't celebrated my thirteenth birthday when he did
> > this
> > to me."
> >
> > Those are the Shocking claims of Larry Flynt's daughter -- claims she
> > made
> > against her own father!
> >
> > In April 1997, Larry Flynt's daughter Tonya Flynt wrote about life with
> > her
> > father in an open letter published in the newsletter, CONTEMPORARY
> > WOMEN'S
> > ISSUES.
> >
> > Flynt is set to print his bombshell expose on Washington politicians.
> >
> >
> >
> > The daughter wrote:
> >
> > My name is Tonya Flynt. I am here you that the portrayal of my father,
> > Flynt, in Oliver Stone and Milos Forman's movie is a pack of lies. My
> > father, the founder and publisher of Hustler Magazine, is not a hero who
> >
> > has sacrificed everything to fight censorship and protect freedom of
> > speech. He doesn't give a damn about freedom of speech. All he cares
> > about
> > is making millions of dollars out of the sexual exploitation of women
> > and
> > children.
> >
> > My father is a pornographer, a pimp, and a molester of children. I say
> > this
> > with pain and sorrow because in spite of everything he has done, I still
> >
> > love my father I also say this with fear, because my father has
> > threatened
> > me and my daughter. But I feel I have a responsibility to expose the
> > truth
> > about my father, Making Larry Flynt a hero justifies and makes invisible
> >
> > the harm he has done to women and children, It silences their voices and
> >
> > muffles their cries of pain. This is exactly what Oliver Stone's movie
> > has
> > done.
> >
> > This is the real story behind Hustler Before my father owned his first
> > bar,
> > he was a small-time pimp with a string of women. That's how he got the
> > money to open his first bar and strip club. During the time he owned
> > strip
> > clubs, my father continued to pimp the women who worked in the clubs. He
> >
> > would make the women have sex with customers and give him a cut of the
> > proceeds. That's how he made so much money so quickly.
> >
> > Why does the movie ignore the connections between my father's financial
> > empire and the prostituting of women and girls? Why doesn't it say that
> > Althea was a child prostitute? Why doesn't it say that my father made
> > his
> > early money pimping? I guess it's easier to glorify a pornographer than
> > pimp?
> >
> > To my father, women have always been objects to dominate and control He
> > showed his power through sexual use and abuse. One of my father's
> > favorite
> > sayings was, "The man who controls pussy controls the world."
> >
> > My father used his power against me when I was a little girl. I
> > worshiper
> > my father'. Part of that worship grew out of the fact that he lived in
> > unimaginable luxury while my mother, my sister, and I lived in dire
> > poverty. He didn't feel any obligation to support us. We were always one
> >
> > step from destitution. We would go visit him at his mansions and have a
> > taste of wealth and privilege. Then we would be back at home, worrying
> > about how to pay the rent. The movie doesn't talk about that.
> >
> > My father used his power against me in another way too. He sexually
> > abused
> > me. On one occasion, my Dad was angry because I wouldn't stop crying. He
> >
> > came in, out of control with rage, and beat me over and over again with
> > a
> > belt. That night he came into my room and sexually molested me. He
> > penetrated me with his fingers. He made me touch his penis. He had oral
> > sex
> > with me and made me have oral sex with him. I hadn't celebrated my
> > thirteenth birthday when he did this to me.
> >
> > On many occasions, he would touch my breasts or grab me between the
> > legs.
> > One time he came into my bedroom, took my panties off, and fondled me.
> >
> > When my sister and I visited my father, he made no effort to shield us
> > from
> > any of the brutal and humiliating pictures. He was proud of them. Twice
> > he
> > sent me pornographic Christmas cards stuffed with money. At 8 or 9, my
> > father made me and my sister go into a go-go bar, dress up in revealing
> > outfits, and dance for him on the stage like strippers. I can't tell you
> >
> > the damage these experiences did to my feelings about my body and to my
> > sexuality.
> >
> > When my sister and I visited my father, he made no effort to shield us
> > from
> > any of the brutal and humiliating pictures. He was proud of them. Twice
> > he
> > sent me pornographic Christmas cards stuffed with money. At 8 or 9, my
> > father made me and my sister go into a go-go bar, dress up in revealing
> > outfits, and dance for him on the stage like strippers. I can't tell you
> >
> > the damage these experiences did to my feelings about my body and to my
> > sexuality. These are issues I will struggle with for the rest of my
> > life.
> >
> > My father wasn't content just to molest me. I have been told by a close
> > relative that he makes trips to Bangkok and buys little girls there. I
> > was
> > also told he brought back videotapes of child pornography from Bangkok.
> > It
> > causes me so much pain to realize that what he was doing to me he does
> > to
> > little girls pushed into prostitution by poverty.
> >
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> > Professor <email-address-deleted> wrote in message
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> > > Michael or Amy,
> > > Typical of a conservative you are either unaware or in denial of the
> fact
> > > that Larry Flynt is a true champion of civil liberty, not merely a
> > > pornographer. That is why his conviction in Cincinnati was
unanimously
> > > overturned by the Supreme Court. I venture to guess that you are
> > similarly
> > > unaware of the politics expressed in Steely Dan lyrics. Just review
the
> > > lyrics in 2vN and you may decide that they too are "Sleazemeisters".
> > >
> > > "Michael & Amy Harris" <email-address-deleted> wrote in message
> > > news:NJcCa.28107$email-address-deleted...
> > > > I sincerely hope that the Dan isn't trying to make a political
> statement
> > > by
> > > > not showing up in Cincy. Without turning this into a
> political/cultural
> > > > debate, there is still a large percentage of the populus that is
proud
> > of
> > > > standing AGAINST the sleazemeisters such as Larry Flynt. Nor am I
> > > convinced
> > > > that associating one's self with the anti-war/Sean Penns contingent
is
> > > > actually "progressive".
> > > >
> > > > Not being from that area, I don't know very much about the
> Mapplethorpe
> > > > situation. It does seem that I saw a movie or a tv special about
it,
> > but
> > > > not enough to form an opinion.
> > > >
> > > > A conservative Dan Fan
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