Re: What makes secular music secular? - Evanescence again

Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 14:16:24 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.music.gospel.southern,rec.music.christian
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On Sat, 10 May 2003 14:29:44 -0400, Pastor Winter JNAHC
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>If music is not written and played/sung by real Acts 2:38
>Christians then it is secular. Any music that is not Christian
>is secular. (most of what passes as "christian" music is really
>secular since the artists and authors are not really Christians.)
>
>Pastor Winter
Your basic foundation is correct (Oneness), but blanket statements
like this that are contrary to logic, make you look like a village
idiot.
"Amazing Grace" is a "Christian" song. I'm in a Oneness church, and
it's a song we often sing AND by which I've seen people filled with
the Holy Ghost (aka Acts 2:4). It was written with respect and awe of
God's saving Grace, even though John Newton was never a Oneness
believer.
Now, if trinitarians are singing it, it's STILL a Christian song, but
of course entirely possible the SINGER is not a Christian, due to sin,
false doctrine etc. A racing car remains a racing car, even if my
grandmother borrows it to drive to the store. Granted, it's not being
used to it's full ability, but it doesn't alternate from a sprint car
to an edsil, depending on who's driving it. A song, just like a car,
is just a device. A tool to get you where you want to go. The car
hopefully gets you to the finish line, the song - "to" God.
Another falsehood your spiritually retarded statement infers is,
anything written by a Oneness believer has a spiritual stamp of
approval. This is false for several reasons, here's just a couple:
1. As a Oneness believer, you should be aware of the term "Progressive
Sanctification". Imagine (hard I know, for someone who thinks they
are without sin) that there's some fault in your character. God has
been trying to deal with you about it, but you're struggling to give
it up. He does not cast you out, but keeps working on you to try and
remove your fault. Yet, you are still IN ERROR. Now consider the
trinitarian... who has some false beliefs, but may find himself being
led by the Spirit, slowly to an understanding of Oneness. He's not
there yet, but is generally heading in the right direction. This
person has a sincere heart. If both of these each wrote a gospel
song... The first person's song would not be classified by God as
"accepted" by default, simply because he's "in" Oneness. Conversely,
the second's song would not by default be rejected just because he
hadn't reached full revelation of the truth yet. (Otherwise, you'd
have to say the trinitarian's song is secular UNTIL he comes to
Christ, when it suddenly becomes Christian. That's contrary to simple
logic that even a four-year-old would grasp.
2. As you should know by your own numerous off-topic messages that you
infect usenet with about reprobate Oneness people, not everything a
Oneness believer does has a spiritual stamp of approval on it. If the
Oneness song author abandons his faith... Is his song suddenly now
secular, and should be cut from the song book, when previously it was
classed as Christian?
(Just as well God is almighty, else He'd become extremely dizzy during
Sunday worship, keeping a score of which songs are ok today, for Him
to accept worship from.)
What this all demonstrates is, the matter is more complicated than
your simplistic "rule" tries to summarize.
Greg