Re: Re:US jazz stagnates was: Electricity In Jazz

Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:22:36 -0700
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True dat, Frode.
American Jazz has turned into either this stuffy wallpaper music that they
play at cocktail hour because it's non-threatening and "quiet" and the
purists can sit there in their ivory towers and reminesce on the 'good ol'
days'. Or, it's gone completely the opposite way and turned into the Jacuzzi
Jazz variety (read "Lights-Out Jazz")
OTOH, I think that the SPIRIT of jazz has opened many doors and evolved such
artists as Tribal Tech (Scott Henderson) Jonas Hellborg, Project Z, and
others in that frame. Hell, even the Grateful Dead had jazz stylings within
the paradigm of their music!
In my travels to Europe I can say that the Europeans have got the jazz bag
DOWN. They took an American art form and have upheld it better than anything
I've seen.
Now go throw up, all you jazz nazis! When you're done, get with the times.
BR
"Frode Berg" <email-address-deleted> wrote in message
news:Tt7Sa.3652$email-address-deleted...
> Here's another heatlhy thread to discuss:
>
> US jazz in general has stagnated.
> US jazz musicians are so obsessed with the tradition of their music that
> instead of developing it and letting it eveolve naturally as it did from
the
> beginning up until approx 1970,- they are now making museum pieces out of
> it.
>
> To hear groundbraking jazz these days (the further development of the
music
> known as jazz) one has to go to Europe.
> There the music is constantly developing and shifting through influences
of
> European classical music, folk music etc.
>
> Seriously though, I read only Yesterday in a couple of reviews of a
> Scandinavian jazz album the notion that "In the US you more often than not
> get players competing to burn each other of the stage by playing a
fiercer,
> more aggressive, faster or whatever chorus than the previous performer,
> while in Europe the concern is the music, and not the ego"
>
> I do not agree in this, but some of it has some level of trouth.
> I am in Europe, and we also play jazz, just like americans play classical
> music and pop.(Beatles were the first pop band, so it's european)
>
> Let the discussion begin.
>
> Frode Berg
>
>
>
> "John Grabowski" <email-address-deleted> skrev i melding
> news:email-address-deleted...
> > Zee Dodo wrote:
> > > "If there has to be electricity, I want it to come from me"
> > > - KEITH JARRETT
> > >
> > > Friends, let us consider the facts here:
> > >
> > > * In the entire history of jazz music, in which hundreds of thousands,
> > > if not millions have played jazz or had a go at trying to, less than
> > > 10 people --- yes, less than 0.0001% -- have succeeded in making jazz
> > > music on electric instruments.
> >
> > Are you including vibes players here?
> >
> > And have you checked in with your answering service lately?
> >
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> > --
> > Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. --Don Corleone
> >
>
>