Re: To any of my Iranian brothers (and sisters) in the audience

Date: 13 Jul 2003 08:15:43 -0700
Newsgroups: alt.music.camel,alt.music.jethro-tull,alt.music.weird-al,rec.music.beach-boys,alt.music.who
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Taken from: http://web.ftc-i.net/~rkanderson/weirdal/amwa/trolls/stanhelp.htm
Check it out for some interesting facts about this twat 'The Rooster'
AND some great info on how to get rid of him.
Stan Rosenthal says his actions speak louder than his or anyone else's
words.
Those actions tell us that he....
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...IMPLICATES HIMSELF WHEN CHALLENGING OTHERS. In more than one post
he tells the poster "Just because you say something, doesn't make it
true." Yet Stan expects us to listen to his idiotic ramblings. He has
also stated that if something were true, it wouldn't need to be
repeated, but he repeats his wild theories ad nauseum.
...WON'T SUPPORT THE CLAIMS HE MAKES. Stan doesn't give reasons or
show evidence for why he has so many odd notions about Weird Al, The
Foo Fighters, Pink Floyd, The Police, Yes, Brave Combo, Little Jack
Melody (whoever the hell that is), Shwanz Lefantz (whoever the hell
THAT is)!! and many more. He claims to have previously presented the
information and invites us to sift through his hundreds of ridiculous
posts every week. Sometimes he'll point us to a lyric or album cover
(or he just presumtuously posts those images now) to supposedly figure
out what he's talking about, but doesn't say what to look for, or what
he sees there. Although he asks us again and again to prove what we
say, he won't prove what he says.
...APPEARS TO NOT BELIEVE IN WHAT HE SAYS. In the majority of his
posts, he shields his comments with IMHO or similar noncommittal
language. That's because he has no facts or evidence to back up his
statements. He also makes completely irrelevant posts and then says
they're related to the newsgroup, adding the caveat "IMHO" so that the
facts can't interfere with his wild ideas. He's deliberately playing
games.
...IS MISGUIDED, CONFUSED AND PARANOID. He claims people are trying to
censor him, and places the conspiracy on the shoulders of an imaginary
gang. Specifically, he claims that Weird Al has been sending him
messages through lyrics, and has written songs about Stan since 1983,
and written songs as long ago as 1987 about the alt.music.weird-al
newsgroup! He claims that Al is actually Big Bucks Burnett who
produced an album with Tiny Tim and Brave Combo. He claims that
Bermuda Schwartz (Weird Al's drummer and a fixture in
alt.music.weird-al) is lying to us. He also claims that Bermuda is not
Bermuda! He posts all manner of religious, political and conspiracy
ramblings in newsgroups whose participants (with the exception of Stan
himself) are simply trying to talk about the subject of that
newsgroup, and claims that his nonsense is "very related" or is a
"synch" (whatever THAT means....)
...IS DELUSIONAL. In alt.music.weird-al, Stan posted that "Al
communicated with me that he wanted me on the newsgroup". He says that
Weird Al "had a BUNCH of stuff to sneak through the censors on Running
With Scissors" and on other albums by Al and other artists too. Stan
has also stated that he's met and talked with some of the people in
alt.music.weird-al, yet every person named has denied meeting him or
being involved in the circumstance under which Stan claims they met.
And he constantly points people to a photo
(http://web.archive.org/web/20010726204059/http://www.weirdal.com/013099b.htm)
implying that there's some significance or answers to be found in it!
To set the record straight, I emailed Bermuda about that photo
(deliberately not mentioning it had to do with Stan), and he replied:
"I ran into Chad at the NAMM Show (a music marketing convention) and
asked him to take a pic with me for Al's web site. We were chatting
about Al's "Bedrock Anthem" and the Chili Peppers' "Give It Away"
videos, and joking about wearing horns in them. So he put his fingers
to his head like they were horns, then I did the same. It was just
Chad being his usual funny self, with me doing a little clowning,
too!"
...FALSIFIES OTHER PEOPLES STATEMENTS. When replying and quoting
another post, he frequently omits specific words in order to present
an inaccurate version of what was originally said, and pretends that
his edited version has another meaning, to which Stan makes one of his
typical idiotic replies. He also imagines that, if someone doesn't
state their message in 110% error-proof overly-semantic legalese,
they're trying to cover up something by deliberately "omitting"
information. Stan likes semantic loopholes, and invents them where he
can't find any.
...CLAIMS TO BE A REAL FAN. He knows surprisingly little about the
subjects of the newsgroups he posts in. (In the case of Weird Al, Stan
had only recently acquired classic albums like UHF and Off The Deep
End. He also frequently misquotes lyrics and then says he's one of
only a few people who cares about Al's music and art).
...CLAIMS HE'S A WEIRD AL AUTHORITY WITH IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR
OTHER FANS. He asks us to believe his wacky theories, but in the case
of alt.music.weird-al says that Bermuda isn't being truthful with the
information on his page or in the newsgroup. Why does Stan discredit
Bermuda, the only official Weird Al authority on the internet?
...IS A HYPOCRITE. Stan says Bermuda is his idol but at the same time
challenges, criticizes, mocks and disrespects Bermuda, then edits
Bermuda's words to have other meanings.
...IS DISRESPECTFUL TO EVERYONE IN THE NEWSGROUP. Example: Stan asked
a supposedly innocent question about whether a newbie went to a
certain school. When the poster replied yes, Stan responded with a
sarcastic slam for no reason. In fact, when Stan isn't commenting with
"no comment" or "prove it", nearly every post from him contains
antagonistic, condescending, insulting, or profane language.
...POSTS INAPPROPRIATE INFORMATION FOR KIDS. Some of Stan's posts are
particularly disturbing. On several occasions, he has made "replies"
to posts containing porno links, quoting the link in his "reply". The
problem is, the "original" posts never appeared in the newsgroup! Stan
deliberately placed his posts there, pretending they were "replies",
so he could post the porno links. That information is certainly not
appropriate in alt.music.weird-al, a newsgroup populated mostly by
kids, and begs the question "Is Stan a pedophile?"
...SPAMS PROFANITY AND BINARIES ACROSS SEVERAL NEWSGROUPS. Stan has
made hundreds of posts with profanity (from bull*** to f*** and
f***ing to c***, very bad slang for a female body part) or images,
some of them pretty large, in non-binaries newsgroups.
...ISN'T SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW WHEN TO QUIT. Stan has been ousted from
AOL twice (which is a major event from a company that lets their
subscribers basically get away with murder) and from msn.com which is
another company so big that it takes a LOT of abusive behavior to get
terminated....all within a year.
...ISN'T SMART ENOUGH TO SPEAK FOR HIMSELF. He constantly hides behind
song lyrics and other quotations as answers to other peoples posts,
never explaining how the quotes are relevant or how they're supposed
to suffice as replies.
...HAS ILLUSIONS OF GRANDEUR. Among his thousands of ridiculous
statements, he announced that he could build a case showing he has
"more credibility than Jesus Christ."
...IS CHILDISH. He engages in namecalling, and when cornered he hides
behind "no comment", or quotes another meaningless lyric, or says
"look in the mirror when you speak". Isn't that the same as "I know
you are but what am I?"
...THINKS NEWSGROUPS ARE IS HIS PERSONAL PLAYGROUND! In
alt.music.weird-al, Stan terrorized and disrupted the newsgroup,
harassing and inciting the participants and posting profanity. But
when Al's fans ask him to behave himself and make sense, he invites
them to unsubscribe from their own newsgroup!
Starting in 1999, he also began to pull the same nonsense in
rec.music.dementia, alt.tv.snl, alt.music.yes, alt.music.beck,
alt.music.polkas, alt.music.pink-floyd, alt.music.offspring,
alt.music.todd-rundgren, alt.music.tom-waits, alt.music.tmbg,
alt.rock-n-roll.acdc, rec.music.progressive, alt.music.blink-182,
alt.music.limp-bizkit, alt.music.fatboy-slim, alt.music.beatles,
alt.music.no-doubt, alt.music.police, alt.music.fleetwood-mac and
alt.music.foo-fighters while spamming his idiotic messages across
several newsgroups at once, whether they are related to his ramblings
or not.
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Even though the above Stan behavior is familiar to us, he denies all
of it. Need more proof? Further examples are too numerous to list here
but if you have really never observed Stan in action, you can research
his thousands of posts at
http://web.archive.org/web/20010726204059/http://www.dejanews.com/.
His actions are clearly revealed in them, but he'll deny it anyway!
Fellow newsgroupers, think about this:
If Stan had any kind of real facts or important messages to convey to
fans, wouldn't they also be referenced on official websites? Why
aren't his incredible facts and revelations mentioned anywhere else in
the world except by Stan in the newsgroups, and on his bizarre
website?
Why does Stan dis everyone in the newsgroup? Isn't he smart enough at
age 45 to conduct an intelligent conversation without resorting to
profanity, insults or quoting irrelevant lyrics as a response?
Why won't Weird Al's drummer Bermuda (who Stan claims is his idol)
talk to Stan or even read his posts? What does that tell you about
Stan's credibility and behavior in alt.music.weird-al?
Why can't Stan stay on topic in newsgroups? Obviously because his
purpose is to NOT discuss the topic of the newsgroup!
Why does anyone continue replying to Stan's posts? Do they really
believe they can make any sense to him or that they'll get a direct
answer in language they can understand? Does anybody really think that
after Stan's behavior and disruption of alt.music.weird-al and other
fine newsgroups, he's still entitled to the respect of a reply?
Consider this:
Stan advocates that people should make up their own minds and decide
things for themselves, and quotes Brave Combo: "Don't believe anyone,
don't believe your mail. Make light of every word you hear ... "
Use that advice! Ignore Stan's ramblings and get your facts from
official websites! Those sites won't lie to you or disguise their
meanings, or disrespect you, or spew profanity, or play mind games or
word games with you, or force you to put up with wildly imaginative
theories about politics or religion, or disrupt the newsgroup. Yet
Stan does ALL of those things, at the same time stating that he's an
important member of the newsgroup!
Now do you still think Stan deserves any further attention from any of
us?
Please, give the insanity a rest. Don't acknowledge or reply to his
posts.
Signed,
A long time poster and friend of alt.music.weird-al, and a true fan of
Weird Al.
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For more specifics about Stan and the problems he has caused in
alt.music.weird-al:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010726204059/http://members.aol.com/catradhtem/satan.htm
For the best and most accurate information about Weird Al, visit these
websites:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010726204059/http://www.weirdal.com/
http://web.archive.org/web/20010726204059/http://www.emsphone.com/Al
http://web.archive.org/web/20010726204059/http://www.emsphone.com/Yankovic
http://web.archive.org/web/20010726204059/http://www.webspan.net/~dprossi
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