Re: Should I go see Ugly Duckling

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:18:53 GMT
Newsgroups: rec.music.hip-hop
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On 23 Jul 2003 22:33:43 GMT, email-address-deleted (TJ Xenos)
wrote:
>> Like I said before- if you're trying
>>to make a hip-hop record- you're hip-hop, you just might be really shitty
>>hip-hop.
>
>so fred durst is hiphop?
Fuck Fred Durst.
That out of the way, I see the point that Dids is trying to make tho,
and I agree--to an extent.
I personally don't think anyone can BE hip hop in the first place.
Sorry to say it, but I thought one of the best lines in hip hop
history EVER was "Hip Hop/aint a way of life/it cant teach you to
raise a kid and take care of your wife" or some shit like that. It was
one of the few very nice Q-tip lines.
Anyway, point being, for anyone who has any sense of perspective at
ALL--Hip Hop is entertainment that you enjoy. Period. Hip Hop should
not be a vital component of your existence. Hip Hop should not be the
basis your life is lived on. Hip Hop is not anywhere near important
enough to be included with real essentials like Food, Clothing,
Shelter, Air, Water, Love,
Hip Hop is a style of music. A style of dress. I can buy that. I can't
buy that because someone raps over a drum beat that they BECOME that
drumbeat, they become that record being scratched. Sure, that's some
nice metaphorical poetic bullshit that sounds great when Common and
Black Thought are babbling about it over some pillow-soft Questlove
production, and is all noble and whatever, but Hip Hop is NOT
something you can BE. Hip Hop is something you DO. What you can BE is
a human being. What you can DO is make a certain style of music.
Fred Durst makes really shitty rock and roll music--and every now and
again he makes some really shitty hip hop songs. The fact that he
makes shitty rock does NOT make the shitty hip hop songs NOT HIP HOP.
They're still Hip Hop. They're just garbage. Anthony Kiedis likes to
rap in his rock/funk songs. That's fine. The albums those songs are on
are otherwise all funk/rock albums. those songs have some hip hop in
em. The fact he uses Hip Hop does not make his rock and roll no longer
ROCK AND ROLL. Anticon makes GOD AWFUL hip hop. The fact that the
beats are ass and the rhymes are rhythmless mishmashes delivered by
soulless assholes doesn't mean it's NOT HIP HOP. It's just WACK HIP
HOP.
If all Ugly Duckling has ever made were hip hop songs, and hip hop
albums--then I don't understand how you can NOT call their music Hip
Hop.
This elitist bullshit goes on and on and has always gone on, and it's
always been simply a weak substitute patch-up fill-in for something of
greater importance that's apparently missing in someone's life.
You know what hip hop is when you hear it. Just because it's fucking
GOD AWFUL does not make it hip hop anymore, and here's the
newsflash--even if YOU think so, you are not the be-all end all
arbiter of what gets filed in what category of music. You have your
opinion, and that's great, but your opinion does not change the fact
that at the core of what Ugly Duckling is doing--it's hip hop music.
Period. On certain songs--what Fred Durst is doing is Hip hop music.
Whether it's good or bad does not change that fact.
Fatboy