Re: INDIAN is not a dirty word !

Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 20:55:30 +0800
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.indian
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On Sat, 3 May 2003 20:11:56 +0800, "Acid" <email-address-deleted> wrote:
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>"STRAIGHTS TIMED" <email-address-deleted> wrote in message
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>The word Singapore is not derived from Tamil to my understanding. 'Singh'
>means lion in Sanskrit and Hindi and 'pura' is a common way of representing
>cities in much of Northern and Central India. For example, Rampur, Jaipur,
>Kanpur, Sholapur, Satpura. As such, Singapura is from the Sanskrit/Indic
>combination Singh Pur - meaning Lion City. However, this might have reached
>Malay through Tamil, then to English, then to the gross corruption in
>Chinese as Sin Chia Poh.
>
I think, I have read enough Sanskrit and Sanskrit etymology to take you on. Note
the following points.
Lion
Tamil: Singam
Sanskrit Simha
It is 'Singapore', 'Singapura' and 'Singapur' in English, Malay and Tamil.
AND NOT
'Simhapore', 'Simhapura' and 'Simhapur.
Sir Stamford Raffles called the place Singapore, the Malay natives Singapura and
the Tamil traders Singapur.
The original word in in Vedic Languare for Lion has been 'Hari' . 'Hari' was
later twisted in Sanskrit to 'Harimaa' - a word used by Malay for Tiger. Monier
Williams (of The Sanskrit Lexicon fame)' says even 'Hari' is of doubtful
derivation. ie, probably from Dravidics.
Sanksrit has over 40 words for Lion - sometimes the same word can mean the
domestic cat!!!!!!! And each of the 40 words can have over 16 different,
unrelated meanings. - so defective is that Language Sanskrit.
'Simha' was adopted into Sanskrit from the Tamil 'Singam' when the 'Matsya
Purana' was written 7th Century AD. Matsya Purana is the sixteenth purana
(story) of a total 18. Narasimha avataram (incarnation of vishnu) is told in
Matsya Purana. Matysa Purana was COMPOSED in the SOUTH and not in the north.
Never was the Pure Tamil word 'Singam' used in Sanskrit compound words. The
sanskritised version 'Simha' was used. eg:
siMhagrIva - lion-necked
siMhendra- mighty lion
siMhazizu - lion's cub.
siMhavAha - riding on a lion
siMhaloman - lion's hair
siMhapragarjita - the lion's roar
siMhapragarjana - roaring like a lion
siMhanardin - roaring like a lion
siMhacarman - lion's skin
dharmasiMha - lion of virtue
purANasiMha- avatar Vishnu as man-lion
narasiMha - Vishnu as man-lion
pratisiMha - a hostile lion (story)
mRgasiMhaka - species of small lion
vAdisiMha - lion of disputants
siMhakarman - acting like a lion , achieving lion-like deeds
BUT in 'Singapore' - The Tamil word "Singam' is used.
Roots of the word Singam in Tamil:
sigai - flock of hair on the crown of the head - (Winslow's Tamil-Eng Dict) Sigai Alangaaram - haircut- hair-do (still a term used today)
sikkam - flock of hair on the crown of the head - (Winslow's Tamil-Eng Dict)
That (animal) with a flock of hair on the crown of the head - Singam.
Even the name of language of Sri Lanka - 'Singhalese' - is from Tamil
'Singalam'. - The Singalese belief that they are from the Lion lineage of
Aryans.
'Singam' - references in Tamil Literature. Kutrala Kuravankji - the hero and heroine of this drama are named 'Singa'
and 'Singi' respectively. ElElasingan - a Tamil Vallal (philanthropist) was mentioned in Tamil said
to have lived during Thiruvalluvar's time. Andal's Thirupaavai - 8th Century AD
'yasothai Ilam Singam'
'.......mannik-kitandu uRangum SIriya Singam.......'
Pur or Puram
puram is a Tamil word meaning a building or a tall structure - as in kOpuram
Root in Tamil of puram being;
pura - to protect, to keep
derivatives:
puram: tall, tall building,
puram: town, village, royal city,
puravalan: protector, guardian, king (he who guards the city)
kOpuram: the tall structure at the temple gates (kO = the Lord)
'Puram' references in Tamil Literature: Madurai yanthan pura thinkan (Thiruvilaiyaadal puranam) kOpuram kovil (kallaadam)
No Sanskrit , etymology, roots available in Monier Williams Sanskrit Dictionary
for the word 'Pura'
Conclusion:
Singam is a Tamil word plagarised by Sanskrit
Puram is a Tamil word plagarised by Sankstrit.
Singapura - Singapore - Singapur - are compound words of Tamil Origin.
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"Ppothu vaga Em Manasu (MNS) thangam ...
Oru Ppotti yinnu Vandhu vitta Singam'' *********
A Tamil movie song meaning:
Generally I have a golden heart (thangam =gold)
When taking challenges I am Lion (Singam)
So Acid, don't go on a rampage on Indian native tongues just to glorify you
beloved Sanskrit Language.
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